Do you want to get laid or make a point














A buddy of mine had a date the other night. He rationalizes that girls usually run 10 minutes  late so his move is to show up to the date 15 minutes late making her sweat a little in his grand move to gain some hand on the date. Well this night he was running 20 minutes late on purpose. On his way there the girl(who was already there) texted asking where he was and he responded that he was on the way  and running late. By the time he gets there the girl left. There was more communication to convince her to come back but the moment was gone they’d have to try again on another date.

This goes to a bigger problem in the game community that’s too focused on always having the upper hand, demonstrating higher value than the girl, and not ever looking too needy. All three are good concepts but the bigger question is do you want to get laid or make a point. In the scenario above potential notch was lost because my friend wanted to play games with who shows up first vs who’s waiting for the other person, complicating what should have been an easy first date and irritating the girl at the same time. If you go out in this town and get five phone numbers three of them won’t even respond to your text or phone call, one will txt back and forth but go no where and the last one may agree to a date and even that day may still flake. The odds are already against you why would you miss an opportunity because of punctuality? Do you want to get laid or make a point?

A lot of guys think or try to game from a position of power and in all honesty they’re actually gaming from a position of fear. Trying to create the impression to a potential girl that you’re better than them and have your own thing going on and they should be lucky to even be in your presence. But you can’t fake that shit. You know how you create the impression of having multiple girls you can go to for sex… by actually fucking them. That is to say all the false bravado and moves to make power plays won’t matter if your penis doesn’t end up in her vagina. Showing up to a date on time doesn’t mean you’re a beta, it mean you’re a grown man that can tell time and has respect for other peoples time, it means you’re taking this date seriously and ensuring it starts off on a good note. Sure she’ll be a little later than you, so what. If you fuck her good and want to see her again, then tell her to straighten up her act and get places on time, after the first fuck. If she doesn’t dump her and move on.

There are many instances where it maybe tempting to make a point but be sure that point won’t cost you a notch. You’re on a date with a women’s study major Sarah Lawrence graduate and she’s going on her rant about how men ruin everything and women are better blah blah blah. You can get into an argument over sexism or politely change the subject, fuck her brains out that night, and leave a copy of Bang under her pillow before in the morning. The greatest victory over any woman is sex. Once you’ve seen her naked, once you’ve fucked her all her power is gone, there’s nothing she can hold over your head. Why do you think most girls try to hold off on sex for so long.

I’m not saying jump through hoops or don’t speak your mind on some things. I’m saying to realize it’s a game, see her moves coming and know what she’s going to do before hand. Don’t telegraph your moves or make it obvious when you’re attempting to make a power play. Learn that there are times when a girl does something and in her head she thinks she has power over you. Then wait till he right timing and flip the script on her. The older you get the more you’ll realize that game is a more nuance. For example dating and picking up hot girls is like be in a boxing match, your neg shouldn’t be some haymaker to the chin in an attempt to knock her out in the first round. If you miss you’re off balance and exposed, you’re attempt at a power move has left you weak and vulnerable. The neg should be a solid body shot to the kidney, just enough to slow her down, the effects of that blow won’t truly be felt till later rounds where she’s tired and her brain is still trying to figure out what you meant when you told her her outfit was interesting.

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Been in the game since 2005 and still learning everyday. But now I feel comfortable giving back and sharing wisdom with guys looking to improve one or two things in their lives that could increase their self confidence and the chance of having a favorable outcome in any romantic interaction with women. When you step to her you know you've already put in that work on your end. Nothing is left to chance.


  1. Dirt Man October 1, 2012 at 11:35 am

    This post is awesome sir. I especially love this:

    “Showing up to a date on time doesn’t mean you’re a beta, it mean you’re a grown man that can tell time and has respect for other peoples time, it means you’re taking this date seriously and ensuring it starts off on a good note.”

  2. Ed October 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    “The greatest victory over a women is sex.” So true. Once you give her the big daddy D then the becomes putty in your hands.

  3. Veritas October 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Do you need the lay so bad that you’d rather take shit over making a point?

    • Virgle Kent October 1, 2012 at 1:29 pm

      Not every point is worth making or make a bigger point by getting the bang

  4. Bronan The Barbarian! October 1, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Was That Beta?™®

  5. Superman October 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Great post. This sounds like a friend I know.

  6. Black Rebel October 2, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Timely post, and yes, I know ‘that guy’ and once I was ‘that guy’; a friend of mine, after getting dumped by his LTR of 3 years hit rock bottom, but he picked himself back up, got a gym membership, a new wardrobe and has started learning about some game. He gets a few girls, but misses even more because he fucks up doing shit like this.

    There’s a place back home that I take girls to on first dates, where I have a (by my estimation) 40% bang rate; that’s correct, every ten times I take a girl there for tapas and beers as a first date, four of them the night ends with her naked in my bed. I think I know why;

    – Clutch logistics; 7 minutes on foot from my old place, and it just happens to pass the liquor store.
    – The food is great and fairly inexpensive.
    – Most importantly, the owner is a dear friend of the family who goes way back; I’m talking he held me when I was a baby type of way-back. This dude is a fucking legend; he’ll greet me with a handshake when I enter, sometimes pops by mid-date with drinks ‘on the house’ for us, he knows to keep his mouth shut and tells his staff the same (I was beating the fuck out of his place all last year) and most amazingly; he never asks the girls their age, he’d probably laugh it off if I told him that several times he had unknowingly served alcohol to a minor.

    The point I’m trying to make? The further in the game you get, you see the whole ‘time and place’ side of things; sure it’s better to generally be cocky than insecure and to veer closer to ‘asshole’ than ‘nice guy’, but calibrate; there is a time and a place to make a girl wait for you to arrive, and when you know you can fuck the girl that night if you keep your slipups minimal is not one of them; did she flake on the first date and take >30 minutes to reply to texts? Yeah, I’ll let her stew for a bit…but was she smiling and giggling during the initial interaction and does she get back at me with texts promptly? I’ll be 5 minutes late AT MOST. It wasn’t unusual for girls to roll to this place and see me there chatting with this guy, never hurt me (I’m sad that when I return home in six months, my new place will probably be ten minutes by car, but I still plan to use it to take girls to).

  7. Tyler October 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    As soon as I started reading this post, my initial thought was that showing up late has never really made a huge difference in getting any upper hand. If anything it started the date off in a weird way. I sure as hell wouldn’t wait 20 minutes for some chick I don’t know to show up.

    Just show up, and if you’re late, you’re late…if you’re not, your not. There are 100 other ways to take control of the date, that aren’t so abrupt.

  8. derthal October 2, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    You can arrive little earlier, just make sure to have an interesting pocket book to read with you. It’s better to spend time reading a book than wasting precious time figuring out what’s tactics will be the best to show “value”. Arrive, sit and read. There is only you and your absorbing lecture until the girl comes.

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